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Quote prosperity Replybullet Topic: Delisted by Promotors - Boon or Curse
    Posted: 01/Sep/2007 at 12:09pm

Because i do not want to talk in air, i am taking a specific example of Hindustan Zinc plans of getting delisted by promoters after they acquire remaining big percentage from Govt (really soon) ...

But still this topic of companies getting delisted because promoters holding goes above 90percent and they no more want it to be listed ....
 
This topic is a general topic and Hindustan Zinc is just a case in point ..
 
1) Assume that i am bullish on Hindustan Zinc for next 5 years, for whatever reasons (lets not debate those reasons here - one can have different thread if one wants to on that)
 
2) Now company's shareholding crosses 90percent and they have right to get it de-listed ... and asks me to tender all my shares ...
 
3) But being bullish for next 5 years, i feel whatever company is giving to take back my shares is much lesser than what company should be valued at ...
 
4) Do i have the option of retaining my shares and making a fortune out of it ..... But how ?   - If the shares are not traded ...
 
Question 1) Are they still deemed as shares and me having a percentage holding in the company ?
Question 2) If yes, then can i sell it to the company anytime later that i want (after 5 years) ?
Question 3) For these 5 years, Would i be getting dividends etc. on shares which are not listed ...
 
Can someone throw some light on above ....
 
PS: Hindustan Zinc: if it gets delisted - the holding company i.e. Sterlite would now change from holding company to be having Hind Zinc as 100percent subsidiary - and holding company discount would vanish (if at all present) ... This is a side thought but lets focus on main points/questions above !!  


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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 01/Sep/2007 at 12:32pm
Can some good soul throw some light on above ....
 
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Though I don't fit into this qualification criteria still let me post what I feel-
 
  • The reason for de-listing apart (like regulations of %holdings etc), it often implies that the management is very bullish on business & doesn't want anymore sharing of profits with shareholders.
  • If you continue to hold the shares, you are eligible to receive dividends. But since the shares are not traded the upside in market price is not available.
  • The company at a later date may decide to directly contact you with an offer to re-purchase. But that price would be determined by management not market.
 
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Quote smartcat Replybullet Posted: 01/Sep/2007 at 12:53pm
>> good soul
>> qualification criteria
 
I'm disqualified too. If everybody keeps this sort of criteria, I don't know how I'll be able to increase my post count.
 
i feel whatever company is giving to take back my shares is much lesser than what company should be valued at ...
 
Personally, if the promoter wants to sell, I would give away my shares - even if I have an idea about what the value of the share should be. But as long I'm making a decent profit. 
 
For me, management's intent to delist implies shareholder unfriendliness. I wouldn't want to be left holding the heavy baggage. Holding on to shares (like iflex shareholders are doing) reeks of 'shareholder activism' - which we retail investors should not indulge in.
 
There are lots of other juicy low-hanging fruits to pick. What's the point in holding on to illiquid shares?
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Quote prosperity Replybullet Posted: 01/Sep/2007 at 1:14pm
Thanks Kulmanji and SmartCatji for your responses ....
  
A good soul is one who helps out others with no selfishness in mind ... And the fact that you answered my questions prove that you folks are good soul ..
  
I am impressed by the humbleness which you (specially Kulmanji) have ..
BTW, i have corrected my words from "good soul" to "anyone" since your humbleness ne mujhe sharminda kar diya Approve
 
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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 01/Sep/2007 at 1:43pm
And the fact that you answered my questions prove that you folks are good soul ..
 
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Hurray!!! Big%20smile
 
You know what....I have shown your message to my wife with whom I had an arguement this morning over this same issue. Thanks for supporting me !
 
The sad part is still she isn't fully convinced!
 
 
 
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 01/Sep/2007 at 3:40pm
Buy-back if done through reverse book building is a wonderful thing. Buying from open markets is discouraging. The delisting offer price should be arrived at by reverse book building mechanism. Prosperity, buying back and getting it delisted is fine so long as they dont force me to close out. I am holding shares of cadbury's and the company is also increasing its offer price and I am enjoying my ride. Also, it makes a lazy but quite a decent stock for me in the sense that other FMCG stocks are underperforming....its all garaz ki raz-niti.......one who is more eager has to pay and one who is not so willing will get more.....let the promoters show the intent, I will take a call how much they will jack up their offer. I for one enjoy these special event games. See, most of these MNCs will delist its only a matter of time....when a company like HUL has jumped in the fray, its only a matter of time, so play your game without bothering so much.....at least these stocks wont give you wild swings...treat them as high yielding bonds and trust you me at times bonds do better than stock.......
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Quote prosperity Replybullet Posted: 01/Sep/2007 at 4:29pm
Vivek ji,
 
Thanks for your reply. I am interested in knowing more details of your Cadbury's delisting story ... I knew nothing and on your mentioning of it - googled and am aware of following:
 
But after second open offer at same rate (Rs. 500) in JUNE 2002 - did they managed to increase their shareholding from 90.2 percent to what ?
 
And you say - you still holding it ... after 4 years of getting delisted from bourses ?
 
how has the ride been (4 yrs holding without it being traded on exchanges) .... can you pls. share the details ...
   
ALL,
 
any advise specifically on hindustan zinc delisting, considering that i (shareholder) is very bullish on zinc for next 5 yrs ...
   
Thanx !!


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Quote smartcat Replybullet Posted: 01/Sep/2007 at 4:31pm
I am enjoying my ride
 
let the promoters show the intent, I will take a call how much they will jack up their offer. I for one enjoy these special event games
 
To me, it looks like you are holding something precious that Cadbury wants and you are demanding a big ransom. Please give back the shares to the company or else their CEO might go bald.
 
Any stock that we hold should have -
 
- Good liquidity. If I want money for some reason, I should be able to sell my shares and get the cash in 2 days. This is not possible in delisted shares.
 
- Price discovery mechanism. Only listed shares with daily buying/selling can have this.
 
If the delisted stock constitutes a small percentage of the overall portfolio, then 'playing games' is fine I guess. But if Hind Zinc (for eg) is 10% of portfolio, I wouldn't be able to sleep well at night if it delists.
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