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    Posted: 26/Jul/2007 at 8:00pm

The FII's - When they invested in junk stocks!?

One of the most comforting signals that investors look for before buying a company is to locate an FII investor. Over a  period of time there has been several instances where the FII's blew it up by investing in 3rd grade companies with either questionable management or doubtful long term business potential.
 
In this thread we could put in several such examples so that investors know how much reliance to put on FII holding the next time they buy the stock.
 
A classic case is IFSL a penny stock which zoomed from Rs 1.65 to Rs 30+ and the foreigners bought at the top. There were several foreign investors in this company ranging from Citigroup,Meryll Lynch, ABN AMro, BSMA etc.
 
This is a link to the stock price chart:
 
This is a link to the BSE holding for the quarter ended September 2005 when this bubble burst!Surprisingly the big boys got in at the top.
 
Let us put more of such instances so that as inevstors we realise how much importance is to be given to buying by these experts.
 


Edited by basant - 26/Jul/2007 at 8:04pm
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Quote PrashantS Replybullet Posted: 26/Jul/2007 at 8:17pm
There are so many instances.Even today most of the FIIs want to buy what the ohter FII has bought ."Jeyen ge saath saath or marange bhi saath saath".There ar e Number of stocks which are cheating the markets .I think it will take soemtime before our markets mature.But till then fraud and specualtion is here to stay.
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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 05/Aug/2007 at 8:34am
Foreign portfolio managers, it seems, have not just confined themselves to large and mid-cap stocks between April and June, but have been buying into smaller companies as well. There are around 40 such firms in which foreign fund houses have taken a stake, ranging from 1% to 35%.

Interestingly, they have even bought into companies, which have market capitalisation as low as Rs 8 crore. A majority of the companies where they have invested for the first time in thequarter are those which have a market cap of below Rs 200 crore.


However, they said a company does not become fundamentally sound just by virtue of foreign funds buying into them. They added these investments can influence the stock prices, but in most cases these are portfolio and not strategic investments. Hence, the foreign funds will not be able to influence the business decisions of the companies.

 
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 16/Jan/2009 at 1:31pm
Time to add Satyam to that list!
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 02/Nov/2009 at 10:05pm

Today in ET on one of the usually nonsensical articles about market levels and such there was one particular line which was note worthy: (roughly)

Expect a market correction as FIIs are looking for an excuse to sell
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Quote Hitesh Shah Replybullet Posted: 02/Nov/2009 at 10:25pm
Originally posted by basant

The FII's - When they invested in junk stocks!?

One of the most comforting signals that investors look for before buying a company is to locate an FII investor. Over a  period of time there has been several instances where the FII's blew it up by investing in 3rd grade companies with either questionable management or doubtful long term business potential.
 
In this thread we could put in several such examples so that investors know how much reliance to put on FII holding the next time they buy the stock.
 
A classic case is IFSL a penny stock which zoomed from Rs 1.65 to Rs 30+ and the foreigners bought at the top. There were several foreign investors in this company ranging from Citigroup,Meryll Lynch, ABN AMro, BSMA etc.
 
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Didn't see this topic till now Embarrassed!

But Basantji, I think it's unfair to pick on the FII's alone. Our desi big guns are (or at least) were no better even though they should know better.

UTI is the classic example.

Does anyone know what exactly LIC holds and at what purchase price?

Many Indian MF's did no better during the IT boom, picking up a lot of crap so long as the name implied something to do with IT...

Now, the shameful tragedy is that FII's are the biggest movers of our market, whether we like to admit it or not.

The Indian Government's ambivalence towards equity is clearly seen with the EPF refusing to invest in equity, even in terms of an index fund! That the fund claims to be capable of providing great returns through debt is another (Ponzi) matter altogether.


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Quote hit2710 Replybullet Posted: 02/Nov/2009 at 10:37pm
Originally posted by PrashantS

There are so many instances.Even today most of the FIIs want to buy what the ohter FII has bought ."Jeyen ge saath saath or marange bhi saath saath".There ar e Number of stocks which are cheating the markets .I think it will take soemtime before our markets mature.But till then fraud and specualtion is here to stay.


I think there is a lot of corruption going on in allocation of money into stocks by fiis and indian funds also. The recent QIPs in various stocks and the appetite of fiis and domestic funds for the below average recent ipos makes one wonder whether any kind of logic is applied before invested other people's money into these ipos and qips.

It becomes very easy for companies to bribe a few fund managers(even fii fund managers, being white skinned does not make them immune to corruption) especially those who are influential and on whose basis others of the herd follow.

If it were not so, I don't think anybody in his right mind would have invested in indiabulls ipo or some other such costly ipos and even recent qips done by many realty and infra companies at opportune levels of markets.
Stockmarket is a weird place. For every person who buys a stock there is a person who sells it and both think they are very smart.
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Quote Crimsonarcher Replybullet Posted: 02/Nov/2009 at 9:11am
Both the FIIs/MS/Domestic institutions are not investing their own money and they have tons of money so they can choose not to be very careful with it. Afterall they just need to beat the benchmark index, and even if they don't no one questions them and hands over money to them when they launch new funds...
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