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Quote rakeshmehta48 Replybullet Posted: 28/Jan/2009 at 1:14am
OPM is a secret term meant only to be used by few privilaged tie walas.
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Quote kumardiwesh Replybullet Posted: 28/Jan/2009 at 1:30am
If promoters have pledged shares, it should be disclosed.
Why should promoters raise money discreetly if their intentions are right?
SEBI has made it mandatory nonetheless.
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The market is a place where people with money meet people with experience.
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 28/Jan/2009 at 8:30am
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If promoters have pledged shares, it should be disclosed.
Why should promoters raise money discreetly if their intentions are right?
SEBI has made it mandatory nonetheless.
 
Well, to get money you have to put your asset on the block as pledge. So, nothing wrong about it. Its a kind of margin funding, albeit with much less aggressive terms.
 
Now I agree to your disclosure argument. As an investor, I have full right to work out from what quarters selling can emanate from. Its generally said, that you can bid against any seller, but if the promoters' share enter the market, you better run for cover rather than fighting against it. Infact, SEBI can go one step further to make a detailed declaration about pledged holding. Details would include the terms of the pledge.
 
If a promoter has pledged 100 shares at Rs. 100 a share to raise 8000, then its no harm if the current share price is Rs. 200. To worry and sell under those circumstances would be quite a panic type of a reaction.
 
At the end of the day, all we need to know if the pledged shares can hit the market. Other than that, it will be reading too much into the thing. To brandish pledging as speculating is quite unwarranted.
 
 
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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 29/Jan/2009 at 6:31pm
“The monies borrowed have been invested in the purchase of Asian Paints shares through the secondary market by my family through creeping acquisition. This can be corroborated by the fact that promoter's holding in Asian Paints has gone up considerably over the last few years from low 40% to nearly 50% now,” says the statement released by Ashwin Dani, vice chairman and MD of Asian Paints, to  exchanges.


It's rather unconvincing.


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Quote Hitesh Shah Replybullet Posted: 29/Jan/2009 at 7:49pm
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“The monies borrowed have been invested in the purchase of Asian Paints shares through the secondary market by my family through creeping acquisition. This can be corroborated by the fact that promoter's holding in Asian Paints has gone up considerably over the last few years from low 40% to nearly 50% now,” says the statement released by Ashwin Dani, vice chairman and MD of Asian Paints, to  exchanges.


It's rather unconvincing.


Agreed. While there may be no arguing with the hike in stake, it is a wobbly foundation!

Perhaps they never dreamed that pledging would be viewed as a dodgy activity!
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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 29/Jan/2009 at 8:11pm

Some of these loans are converted into pass-through certificates (PTCs),Confused an instrument which transfers the right to receive benefits to the buyer or holder of such PTC. These PTCs are sold to institutional investors LOL such as mutual funds and banks.

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Quote Hitesh Shah Replybullet Posted: 29/Jan/2009 at 8:31pm
Great link!

I'm not good at large figures, but Dani's note to the exchanges mentions pledges over the years for creeping acquisition and the BT article talks of a 65 crore deal in March 2008!

Moral: If you pledge, you could end up on the edge of the ledge...
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