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Quote kanagala Replybullet Posted: 19/Jan/2009 at 11:01am
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ALL Banks will feel the pinch of a slowing economy and that includes HDFC bank but what we need to do is follow the Banks who have handled such slowdowns in the past also HDFC Bank has negligible exposure to real estate and infra companies and mostly focusses on retail.
 
They are very conservative in lending unless you are banking with them they will be reluctant to give you a credit card even people who had overdraft accounts with CBoP prior to merger with HDFC Bank were asked to either put in fresh security or bank with a lower overdraft, I met one such persona and he was saying that the credit control processes of HDFC bank are bad now what is bad for a customer is good for a sharehodler. It is a irony but happens in Banking.
 
Broadly it is the trust that comes with a history of 50 quarters rather then anything quantitative.
 


Contrary to India, lot of banks are offering $100  to $150 for opening checking accounts in US. Me and my wife opened a checking account with Chase and got $125 each. They are great for customers.



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Quote shivkumar Replybullet Posted: 19/Jan/2009 at 11:19am
Check in accounts for customers mean check out for the banks!
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Quote investor Replybullet Posted: 19/Jan/2009 at 11:52am
I think you have just given out a clue towards the next bank in the U.S. that is going to fall !! LOL!

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Contrary to India, lot of banks are offering $100  to $150 for opening checking accounts in US. Me and my wife opened a checking account with Chase and got $125 each. They are great for customers.



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Quote kanagala Replybullet Posted: 21/Jan/2009 at 10:27am
Is there any credibility in following claim?

Any other significant departures from conservative accounting?
The banks net profit would be lower by 10% in FY08 if HDFC Bank were following the fair value method of accounting for issue of Employee Stock Options.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 22/Jan/2009 at 12:56pm

Whose report is that?

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Quote Shikari_Shambu Replybullet Posted: 22/Jan/2009 at 3:11pm
Basant sir,

Not exactly related to the accounting policy of ESOPs but another view on HDFC Bank ( admittedly a slightly old view). I am giving the link below since I know you have studied HDFC Bank in great detail and would be able to provide your views on the points mentioned in the link.

http://www.rirlimited.com/HDFC%20Bank%20Overvalued.pdf

Though the link talks about HDFC Bank, most of the points are relevant to other Banks also. About ESOPs, I think the point is that future EPS should take into account any dilution on account of conversion of Options.

Your views on the link and about Stock Options in general would be great.
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Quote Shikari_Shambu Replybullet Posted: 22/Jan/2009 at 3:29pm
"About ESOPs, I think the point is that future EPS should take into account any dilution on account of conversion of Options."

In addition to the above I think the point is that granting of Stock Options should be treated as a cost ( and therefore go to the expenditure column in P&L in the quarter when they were issued) for reasons below :-

1) Anything that has reduced earnings is a cost ( say Operational expenditure like salaries, rents,etc)
2) For existing shareholders, ESOPs are an expenditure (cost) since they are reducing the earnings (per share in any case).

I don't have any accounts background so apologies if I used incorrect terms. Hope I made some sense.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 22/Jan/2009 at 3:30pm
Future EPS will be EPS dilutive but when you have an equity base of 42 crore shares the incremental dilution is very insignificant. Also this dilution does not happen for free but generates some money for the Bank so it isn't actually EPS and Book Value dilutive as it appears to be.
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