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kanagala
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 Posted: 31/Mar/2008 at 4:55am |
Originally posted by nitin_jagtap
Reliance Growth has the best history. |
Thanks for the information. Which one do you think will give better returns in future.
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 Posted: 31/Mar/2008 at 10:59am |
Past performance is not an indication of future performance having said that Rel growth has seasoned managers but one concern in the size of the fund ...stanchart has very different picks compared to many other funds which may do well..I will try and choose between the two ..not aware of the other two.
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Intriguing observations ....
Portfolio padding adds risk, boosts costs and shrinks returns
.....highlights some common misconceptions about funds. With actively managed mutual funds, more is not necessarily better. Studies show that owning four funds in the same asset category is virtually certain to create a "closet index fund," which means that the combined performance of the funds winds up doing no better than the index for that asset class.
Plus, that index-or-worse overall performance comes at a much higher cost than simply owning a mutual-fund or exchange-traded fund tracking the index.
"Fewer [funds] is better....The fewer moving parts you have with your portfolio, the better off you will be."
Ultimately, an investor can build a winning portfolio with no more than six funds covering domestic and foreign markets, large- and small stocks, bonds and money-markets. Sector funds and other issues can be used to flesh out the holdings and tilt the assets to areas the investor prefers, without creating massive overlap with the core holdings.
A portfolio that's a little more complicated is fine, but going much further -- with closer to 20 funds than a half-dozen, and with too many decisions to make -- is almost sure to leave you with an unmanaged mess.
"The idea is to have funds that can work together, not fight with each other, and not to make things too complicated......If you take on too many funds, you make this more complicated than it needs to be."
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kanagala
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 Posted: 01/Apr/2008 at 12:08pm |
Originally posted by nitin_jagtap
Past performance is not an indication of future performance having said that Rel growth has seasoned managers but one concern in the size of the fund ...stanchart has very different picks compared to many other funds which may do well..I will try and choose between the two ..not aware of the other two. |
Nitin, Thanks for your inputs. I am thinking of trying with stanchart.
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Let’s say I borrow Rs10,000 from you today and
promptly return Rs2,000 in a couple of days such that I now owe you Rs8,000.
Will you consider your return on investment to be 20%? Obviously not. Only if I
was to pay you the Rs2,000 and yet continue to owe Rs10,000 would you say the
return is 20%. The fact that I paid back Rs2,000 such that I owed you that much
lesser, it is return OF capital and not return ON capital. That’s as straight as
it gets. However, many mutual fund investors
mistake a return of capital for a return on capital.
Any dividend received from a mutual fund is
essentially return of capital and not return on capital. The difference
is moot, since an unclear understanding of this concept is being misused by many
distributors to shove undeserving investments down an unsuspecting investor’s
throat. This is especially true in the case of equity linked tax saving schemes
(ELSS) where large dividends are doled out as March 31 approaches and investors
are invited to invest based on the lure of a quick return on capital.
The pitch becomes even more bizarre when it comes
to ELSS funds. Let’s say the NAV of an ELSS fund is Rs100. It whispers to the
distributor (Sebi doesn’t allow a loud declaration of the impending dividend
prior to five days of the record date) who in turn whispers to the investors
that the scheme is set to announce a dividend of say 250% or Rs25 per
unit.
The proposal is one that cannot be refused — 25%
return from dividend (Rs25 divided by Rs100 per unit initially invested) plus
30% return due to the tax-saving, making a total of 55% return on investment.
And this is just on the basic capital invested, if the scheme performs well, it
will be additional icing on the lucrative cake. Now, let’s see why this boils
down to downright cheating.
First, as explained earlier, the 25% return is not
on capital but of capital. As soon as you receive the Rs25 as dividend, the NAV
falls to Rs75. The 30% tax deduction is spread over three years of lock-in, so
at best it is 10% per annum. Link:Return on capital vs return of capital
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True ....Most MF distributors lack even basic understanding of financial planning and some dont even know what they talk ....just like the above example they treat the dividend as return on capital like equitities and the worst part is how the 10 Rs NAV is told as cheap compared to a fund with say NAV of 100 Rs and sold to naive investors.
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Originally posted by nitin_jagtap
True ....Most MF distributors lack even basic understanding of financial planning and some dont even know what they talk ....just like the above example they treat the dividend as return on capital like equitities and the worst part is how the 10 Rs NAV is told as cheap compared to a fund with say NAV of 100 Rs and sold to naive investors. |
Oracle from Omaha puts it nicely:
Full-time
professionals in other fields, let's say dentists, bring a lot to the layman.
But in aggregate, people get nothing for their
money from professional money managers. --- Warren E. Buffett
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JM Emerging leaders has 11% invested in Gitanjali Gems and Rajesh Exports. Betting big on jewellery retail.
No Titan though.
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