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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 04/Mar/2008 at 6:31pm
This is all planned or so it appears to be. Someone raised a question on this in the Parliament and the Minister was replying to the question. We did see earlier last year on a sting operation how MPs were motivated to ask questions.
 
Now since the whole storyhas come out from the a Q&A session in the parliament no one will talk about it but surely ICICI should have informed its shareholders in their December 31st results. If someone argues that the Parliament has a right to overshoot corporate laws through their Q&A session then I am not aware but surely the Minister could have stated that since ICIC is a public ltd company we can only share information till December 31st.
 
So if someone wants to know something about SBI during the middle of the quarter is the Parliament a legalised way to throw the question.
 
I am convinced that these things are not co-incidences and there could be something more to them then it meets the eye.
 
In case this was co-incidental then Mr. Kamath should spend some more time with his auditors BSR & Co. so that his shareholders did not geta raw deal!
 
Incidentally BSR & Co. is supposed to be one of the best in the industry. I wonder how the others would be.
 
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ICICI may see more MTM loss Apr-Jun as global credit spreads widen

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By Suvashree Ghosh

MUMBAI - ICICI Bank may have to make more mark-to-market losses in the first quarter of 2008-09 (Apr-Mar), as credit spreads globally may widen further, said Joint Managing Director and Chief Financial Officer Chanda Kochhar today.

 

"MTM (mark-to-market) losses will be there for sometime," Kochhar told reporters after clarifying about the extent of the bank's subprime exposure and the impact on balance sheet.

 

The credit spreads have widened by 300 bps in the last eight months. There will be marginal hit, to the extent of single digit in percentage terms on the full year's net profit for providing on the MTM losses," Kochhar said.

 

Kochhar clarified that the bank had not incurred any credit loss and the mark-to-market loss was due to the increase in credit spreads. "There is no subprime credit loss. Since we hold these exposures as securities and not as loans, we have to mark-to-market," Kochhar said. The borrowers under his category are mostly Indian companies and the assets will be recovered after four years, that is, after these loans mature, she said.

The country's second largest lender's exposure in credit derivatives is $1.6 bln and in its U.K. and Canada subsidiaries the exposure is $500 mln, she said.

 

The bank has stopped taking exposure in the securitised market as "it creates a lot of volatility in P&L (profit and loss)," Kochhar said. Kochhar was clarifying after Minister of State for Finance Pawan Kumar Bansal today said ICICI Bank's overseas operations had reported MTM losses of $264.34 mln on credit derivatives and investments as on Jan 31. ICICI Bank shares fell to a day's low of 930 rupees after Bansal's announcement, but recouped some losses and at 4PM the shares were trading at 970.10 rupees, down 5.13% from Monday on National Stock Exchange.

 

"We have provided $90 mln for mark-to-market losses in December and will provide another $70 mln in this quarter (Jan-Mar). The remaining $100 mln is investments where we have not marked to market, as we have not sold these investments. It is just a balance sheet entry, which we did in December quarter," Kochhar said.

 

Out of the $90 mln, $50 mln is the MTM loss incurred by the bank and $20 mln is incurred by the bank's subsidiaries in U.K. and Canada. Meanwhile, the bank's credit growth in the last quarter was on expected line, though the mix is now shifting towards corporate loans, Kochhar said.

 

"The composition in credit is different, unlike that we used to have earlier where the retail segment showed very strong growth. Now, we are seeing robust growth in the corporate sector as well," she said. ICICI Bank expects its credit growth at 25% in the current financial year.  End

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ICICI Bk: Have total $2.2 bln exposure in credit derivatives
 
 
 
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Quote omshivaya Replybullet Posted: 04/Mar/2008 at 6:45pm

Out of context of this thread, everyone must be knowing how NDTV had come out with a report sometime back on certain pvt. banks had exposure to huzzzzeeeee derivative losses. Axis, Kotak and Yes Bank were metioned...but ICICI Bank was conveniently left out!

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Quote Vamsee Replybullet Posted: 04/Mar/2008 at 7:55pm
A quick comment.
 
One thing that stuck in my mind while I was reading one of the annual letters of Buffett is that since Banks operate upon leverage, even small part of portfolio losses could wipe out large part of equity. Hence one needs to opt for conservative banks which emphasise on quality(bottom line) rather than aggressive banks which focus on quantity (top line).
 
Long before this sub prime thing I was always sure that I would not buy ICICI and would always choose HDFC bank. Smile
 
 
 
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 04/Mar/2008 at 9:18pm
I heard Chanda Kochar on TV about an hour back and the kind of losses that I think was reported is perfectly possible. In fact repricing bond assets on the back of interest rate changes is a perfectly legitimate thing and our own Banks (both PSU and Private) have been doing it for years if not decades.Just that in this case the bonds seemed to be dollar denominated.
 
Maybe someone can provide a finer point on this.We will all know in 12 hours and some minutes so please do not go by my limited knowledge on this subject.
 
 


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Quote deveshkayal Replybullet Posted: 04/Mar/2008 at 9:56pm
Some time back when there was a rumour about subprime losses by ICICI, K V Kamath clarified that they dont have any "direct" exposure to subprime. There is nothing wrong in what he said, but he should have told about "indirect" exposures.
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Quote PrashantS Replybullet Posted: 04/Mar/2008 at 10:03pm
icici was also involved in similar kand......rmemeber Bubbleji had told us about CHF currency pair ...i think these banks to inform the kind of losses >the lack of transperancy says it all about the management....But i think they are offloading all the bad news now so that they can say global meltdown so we also went down...

the interesting thought is corporates have raised high debts at lower rates so i think they want this money to be used but they cat pump it into the buessiness at the same pace .so they are planning something big and say bear market and  start a new bull market after 6 to 9 months  ...I am not sure but thought that occured to me  ..there is something really not right ...but i hope like rest of us do that things stabilize ...but money is not easily made honey
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Quote BubbleVision Replybullet Posted: 04/Mar/2008 at 10:09pm
Originally posted by PrashantS

icici was also involved in similar kand......rmemeber Bubbleji had told us about CHF currency pair

 
PrashantJi.....Just wait for $-Yen and 100 level.
 
The Low so far in 2000's has been 100.20 in Jan-2000, and the pair has not puked below 100 in the last 10 years.
 
I am very hopeful this time, however am also aware of BOJ Barrier option at 101.00.
 
I hope and am very eager to see $-Yen <100.
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