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    Posted: 01/Mar/2008 at 12:48pm
Prima facie the 50,000 cr loan waiver for small/marginal farmers appears to be a populist measure. Free market proponents will argue that it is a 'moral hazard' (a popular phrase these days) and would encourage farmers who have been regular in paying back their debt to default on their loans.

But let's keep the free market arguments aside for a moment and try to analyze the impact of the waiver. According to the scheme, farmers with upto 2 hectares of land will get complete waiver, while others will get a 25% rebate on their loan amount.

According to ET, the total exposure of commercial banks, mostly PSUs, is 12,000 cr and the remainder is in the books of co-operative and regional rural banks. Probably, all of these loans are marked as NPAs and the banks must have already provisioned for them in their books. Infact, with the govt's reimbursements, it will probably provide a one time boost to the incomes of the banks. So far so good. The farmer is relieved, the bank has recovered its NPA and the govt picks up the tab or should I say the honest hardworking tax payer picks up the tab but such things happen in a democracy. After all the FM has already given an income tax break of 50,000 cr to the middle class. Net-Net we are even.

But does this waiver actually benefit the distressed farmer with suicidal tendencies ? If one were to go back and look at the past news items and studies done by NGOs and eminent journalists, it appears that the badly affected and suffering farmers had borrowed from private moneylenders at astronomical rates. How is this waiver going to help them ?
Surprisingly, there is no mention of any kind of plan or strategy to ensure that farmers don't fall back into this debt trap again.

The other interesting thing to note is that most of these loans are doled out by cooperative and rural banks. We all know the kind of racket these guys do. My hunch is that the farmers that would actually benefit from this waiver are those who have taken loans from these scamster banks and have willingly defaulted, knowing fully well that the friendly politicians (Sharad Pawar and the likes) would lobby on their behalf and ensure that they are bailed out.
These farmers anyway pay no tax on their agricultural income. Now, they don't need to pay, neither the interest nor the principal on their debt.
Life couldn't get better for these folks. No taxes and borrow as much as you like.

I hope some journalist investigates it and brings out the real truth behind it.
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Quote manishdave Replybullet Posted: 01/Mar/2008 at 9:23pm
No wonder Amitabh was trying to be a farmer. Everybody should.
 
It is TOTALY wrong. All political parties do gimmicks before election, but this one is too COSTLY not just in terms of money. You are building expectation where ppl think free money is their birth right. To help the farmers, they could have spent those money into irrigation, education to farmer, the could have done land reforms etc. A really poor farmer would not even dare to walk into a bank.
Our govts are trying to control who gets what size of slice of pizza instead of increasing size of pizza.
 
It is wrong to assume that all loans are NPA. Another point is if co-op are doing loans that is 100% NPA, they don't deserve to stay in business. So this action will keep wrong ppl in business.
 
What was purpose of this action other than an election?
 
1. There was no such demand.
2. Monsoon was good.
3. Farm produce prices are soaring.
 
Are we turning clocks back?
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Quote gopal Replybullet Posted: 01/Mar/2008 at 10:34pm
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I think he is one of the educated ,sophisticated ARROGANT, Hon. Minister.
 
He never answers difficult questions and thinks that only he knows every thing and always demeans others.I have rarely seen any of his interviews where he respects others views.
 
Only bad thing is that I am on his side on this decision.
 
 
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Nitin bhai,
 
We all support poor farmers loan waiver ...... but the finance minister have waived off by 25% of principal and all interest of even the loan of the big farmers ..... further he is avoiding to answer how he will return this amount to banks ....... he simply says that over a period of 3 yrs liquidity equivalent to this amount will be given to banks ....... a media person even asked him that there is a difference between providing liquidity and providing the money back to banks, could the FM specify in his answer .... to this our FM did not reply but simply sifted to question of next media person ....... now if by perchance the shares of PSU banks go down slowly and steadily over the year if the money is not returned to them .... will not several lakh small investors loose out .....
 
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Quote patnitin Replybullet Posted: 01/Mar/2008 at 11:00pm
Yes I agree that probably large farmers who can digest the losses should not have benefited from this act.
I don't have the data,but think that there may be very very few large farmers and due to division in families the land holding is decreasing day by day.
 
 
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Quote gopal Replybullet Posted: 01/Mar/2008 at 11:00pm
Originally posted by patnitin

That probably means that he doesn't have any answers now!

and probably this decision was made under haste at last minute. (orders from Maam!) and he didnot have time to prepare for the examinations(questioning).

Though we criticise Sharad Pawar ,I think he would have articulated the governments point of view in a far far better way.

In any case Hon. FM doesn't inspire me,I am a diehard Vajpayee fan and a neutral person after his retirement.

 

 
Nitin Bhai,
 
It is not a matter of being prepared for answers the media says ..... it is a matter of provisioning / making arrangements in budget for returning money to bank ....... So far even the gas / petrol / diesal that has been subsidised to all has not been accounted for in budget ....... instead he has just issued oil bonds for amount with promise to pay for them on later date ..... now it is further revealed that provsion has not been made for also this 60,000 crore in budget .... so if both the oil bond and farmer waiver is added to expense side than could be really bad ...... further try and understand the amount 60,000 crore is about 2 times the market cap of reliance ....... the FM could have spent it all on farmers in a better way ie set up fertilizer plants, oil refinery, farmer outlets in villages , farmer export house, etc ...... but just to get votes he decides on a waiver ........
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Quote patnitin Replybullet Posted: 01/Mar/2008 at 11:06pm
All that could be done if the Farmer Lives the NEXT day!
 
If farmers suicides are increasing day by day ,some urgent measure was really needed.
 
Market cap etc.. is fine,but in a society where people in large numbers commit suicide cannot be called a civilised one and a great nation.
 
As regards to the comments on the preparation of our FM,I was actually commenting in a negative way on our FM.
 
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Quote gopal Replybullet Posted: 01/Mar/2008 at 11:13pm
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All that could be done if the Farmer Lives the NEXT day!
 
If farmers suicides are increasing day by day ,some urgent measure was really needed.
 
Market cap etc.. is fine,but in a society where people in large numbers commit suicide cannot be called a civilised one and a great nation.
 
As regards to the comments on the preparation of our FM,I was actually commenting in a negative way on our FM.
 
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Nitin Bhai,
 
The government survey itself says that majority of poor farmers take money from private money lender ....... practically speaking how many poor people in India actually go to a bank ... and further to how many poor people who are not even properly dressed will the bank actually give a loan ......... I am not against government spending money on INdians .... the reality it is that it is INdian money and should be spent on Indians, no matter what the FII or foreigners say ........ the only anger is that it is being wasted, they are not even reading there own survey reports .... before issuing the solutions / spending money .... that is all ........ bhai ........
 
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Quote Janak.merchant1 Replybullet Posted: 01/Mar/2008 at 10:01am
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No wonder Amitabh was trying to be a farmer. Everybody should.
 
It is TOTALY wrong. All political parties do gimmicks before election, but this one is too COSTLY not just in terms of money. You are building expectation where ppl think free money is their birth right. To help the farmers, they could have spent those money into irrigation, education to farmer, the could have done land reforms etc. A really poor farmer would not even dare to walk into a bank.
Our govts are trying to control who gets what size of slice of pizza instead of increasing size of pizza.
 
It is wrong to assume that all loans are NPA. Another point is if co-op are doing loans that is 100% NPA, they don't deserve to stay in business. So this action will keep wrong ppl in business.
 
What was purpose of this action other than an election?
 
1. There was no such demand.
2. Monsoon was good.
3. Farm produce prices are soaring.
 
Are we turning clocks back?
 
Hi Manish,
 
I have a person working in my office who is from a farmer family. He has two loans. 35000 + 68000. He has been paying interest on that regularly since many years. He feel cheated by this move. In future, even if he has resources, the tendecy wud be-might be not to pay interest.
 
If he goes for one time settlement, he wud save 25000 but will have to arrange one time settlement amount.
 
Your views are right about this move. Most of the poor farmers have taken loans from money lenders who charge them exorbitant rates of interest. That is the main problems facing indian poor farmers.
 
Best wishes,
 
JM
 
 
I love my money, not my opinion. So i am ready and willing to change my opinion for the sake of protecting my money.
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