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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 11/Nov/2007 at 6:49am
All these are short term punting suggestins. In the long run stock prices will be governed by earnings only prime or sub prime!
 
Though Rakesh has blown the trumpet and I am a marginal player when compared to him I still cannot understand how he made the sub prime issue such a big event for Indian markets.I would have been happier had he indicated some other fundamental reason rather then forecast on markets through breadth, value, mommentum.
 
How should RNRL's 4 fold rise affect HDFC bank's 2009 EPS? Sure the PE could be affected because of sentiment (PE=perception) but that too would be a temporary event.
 
Didn't Buffet and Lynch talk about staying clear of macro economic predictions? I am trying to do exactly that.
 
But internally I am prepared for a fall because I think Rakesh Jhunjhunwala is not like the other so called experts who come on the idiot box! This is the first time I have seen him raise an alarm and I am prepared for a 25% downside though i do not agree with the reasons!
 
 
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 11/Nov/2007 at 6:58am
For the moment everyone would like to sell! That is what I got from talking to several small time traders/investors over the weekend. Most of them wanted to buy back again at 16,000!
 
I wish we could plan our investments that way!
 
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Quote BubbleVision Replybullet Posted: 12/Nov/2007 at 1:37pm
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RJ also mentioned how real-estate companies are getting in to unrelated areas (telecom). People dont read prospectus and thus the money is being spent anyhow.
 
 
Devesh...He is correct. One big Brokerage house had its IPO in 2005 @ 16/-. Then they had a demerger and both the stocks are nearly Rs 700 Each, with one stock in Real Estate.
 
Now that broker is slated to start a Commodity Exchange itself, rather than becoming a member of the commodity exchange!
 
That tells the whole story. I hope i dont dissapoint X-Box.
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Quote Ajith Replybullet Posted: 12/Nov/2007 at 3:57pm
                 RJ is perfectly on the dot in his assessments.The moment Reliance Petro touched 285 and RNRL 190 the excesses in the market had exceeded themselves.Midcap stocks may still be good.This is what I feel.
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Quote deepinsight Replybullet Posted: 12/Nov/2007 at 4:03pm
If one is a serious investor what should one be doing?
 
The note and tone of caution suggests one should be wary of
a) any specultive holdings
b) leaverage
c) extreme/over valuations (good company bad price)
 
Furthermore, recheck our assumptions and conviction on our holdings to hold through serious volatility (25% down - we have already gone thru some of these in the last 2 years).
 
Having said that, if one is a serious investor willing to hold through till 2010 -2012 (3 to 5 years) - in my mind - it has very little impact on what one should do.
 
If someone is thinking of partial cashing out with the objective of getting back in again cheaper - we know very few people who have succeeded in that venture - with any kind of consistency. markets unfortunately have the habit of rising suddenly - leaving our cash in our hands and valuation higher than we started.
 
If its money (or some %) we dont want exposed to this voalitility it should be in cash anyway.
 
If we are in the best companies we have conviction about - which we intend to hold for 3 to 5 years - any action can/could be a mistake.
 
By the way, I could be wrong so please use your minds to make decisions.
 
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Quote bgkochar Replybullet Posted: 12/Nov/2007 at 5:37pm

basantji i  agree with u

but it is not sub-prime issue only, if i understand rakesh then as per him us is going into recession and it will impact on whole world so on india. plz understand that he is still  bullish on long term so he is holding all stocks and not selling single shares. he is also worried abt euphoria on some stocks like rpl,rnrl.

i also worried that some operators are using this rally and many ivestors will cry after some time. plz look at mmtc,stc,walchand etc, can somebody tell me why r they moving up and up. mmtc was 2nd  as per mkt cap as per sat closing. so i also worried for small time investors.

 

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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 12/Nov/2007 at 5:55pm
Why should we worry? If someone wants to bet on mommentum/ stocks whose fundamentals defy logic then good luck to them after all prices can go anyhwhere.
 
So all that we have to see is where our money is. At least I am a bit selfish on that these days because as I say bull markets create success icons everywhere!!!
 
We have to choose our own risk return tradeoff.
 
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Quote valueman Replybullet Posted: 12/Nov/2007 at 6:15pm
Originally posted by bgkochar

basantji i  agree with u

but it is not sub-prime issue only, if i understand rakesh then as per him us is going into recession and it will impact on whole world so on india. plz understand that he is still  bullish on long term so he is holding all stocks and not selling single shares. he is also worried abt euphoria on some stocks like rpl,rnrl.

i also worried that some operators are using this rally and many ivestors will cry after some time. plz look at mmtc,stc,walchand etc, can somebody tell me why r they moving up and up. mmtc was 2nd  as per mkt cap as per sat closing. so i also worried for small time investors.

 



God helps those who help themselves .If these small time investors come in to the market for making quick money and hoping  to be successful always then good luck to them .They should not blame anyone except themselves if they loose their shirt in these short term encounters .
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