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    Posted: 05/Jun/2007 at 1:18pm
BSE Sensex (and the Nifty) only keeps the winners. Companies have to constantly create wealth and increase their market cap or they will be left behind.
 
If we go down the memory lane, we had companies like Bombay Burmah, Mukand etc in the Sensex - and they have now been reduced to 'small caps'. Just three years ago, we had companies like Tata Power, HPCL, MTNL, Nestle, Castrol etc in the index. While these companies are still fairly large, they have been overtaken by nimbler companies like Bharti, RCom, Maruti etc.
 
You can check the complete history of Sensex replacements here
 
Now take a look at the current index constituents. Which are the companies in this list which would probably drop off in the next 3 years? These should be the companies which would grow at a slower rate than the other companies. My picks -
 
BAJAJ and HERO HONDA: These are 15% CAGR companies. And people in India would probably go purchase cars rather than bikes.
 
GUJ AMBUJA & ACC: Single commodity players generally don't last for long because of demand/supply issues.
 
DR. REDDY, RANBAXY & CIPLA: Indian pharma companies are not innovators. They are just a bunch of reverse-engineers.
 
REL ENERGY: Another 15 - 20% CAGR company.
 
SATYAM: A little more squeeze from the rupee and Satyam will drop down to a 15% CAGR company. Also a good takeover candidate (by IBM, EDS etc).
 
We will get to the replacement companies later.
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Quote kanagala Replybullet Posted: 05/Jun/2007 at 1:42pm
Pharma companies might able to stay. They are getting  more and more global. My gut feeling is, some of them might become a global giant. I am not sure about the innovation part. I am not sure about their reverse engineering, I always thought we have the best brains in pharma industry? 
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 05/Jun/2007 at 1:53pm
Smartcat: Over the next 5 years we should see representation from Retail, and media. I am convinced on that. Though it is perfectly debatable wjhehther Pantaloon would get in there or Reliance Retail or both but a representation will be there for sure!
 
Similarily as media companies cross the billion dollar threshhold they would qualify for the same. From my memory except for Zee, Sun, Dish TV and Tv18 there are no other billion dollar companies in the media sector!
 
We idscussed some of these names in this thread:
 
 
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Quote catchsudipto Replybullet Posted: 05/Jun/2007 at 2:58pm

Dear Sir,

 
What about those BIG real estate companies, specially Unitech and DLF. Do they have a chance to pip into sensex composition in the near future.
They are already multibillon dollar company.
 
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Quote smartcat Replybullet Posted: 05/Jun/2007 at 3:29pm

Basant, since the topic is similar, you might want to merge this thread with the old one.

I am not sure about the innovation part. I am not sure about their reverse engineering
 
There are 2 types of pharma companies -
 
- The innovators
- The Generics Players.
 
The innovators research the disease for years, experiment on chimpanzees and humans and finally file release the drug in the market. They file for patent protection and earn in billions if the drug turns out to be a blockbuster like Lipitor or Viagra. The main innovator companies are Merck, Pfizer, Sanofi Aventis etc.
 
The generic players research the existing drug (rather than a disease). They literally find out what the composition is and then re-create the drug. After the patent for the innovator drug expires after a few years, the generic companies like Ranbaxy, Dr. Reddy & Teva (of Israel) are allowed to sell the much cheaper variants of the innovator drugs in the market.
 
 
 
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Quote smartcat Replybullet Posted: 05/Jun/2007 at 3:34pm
we should see representation from Retail, and media
 
Pantaloon should definitely make it to the index - but it might not happen in 2010. TV18 can become a giant cap and get a sensex entry ONLY IF Web18 starts generating serious revenues. NW18 will never get an entry - because it is mostly a holding company.
 
It's sad we don't have our own Walt Disney or Time Warner or News Corp yet.
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Quote deveshkayal Replybullet Posted: 05/Jun/2007 at 3:40pm
My pick: DLF,Unitech,TV18 and Pantaloon will be included in Indices...
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Quote catchsudipto Replybullet Posted: 05/Jun/2007 at 4:10pm
Hi
any guess work on those looser stocks ( out of the sensex)
 
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