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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 01/Jun/2012 at 4:44pm
Hey, I don't have much more to add than above. I did not have anything that specific in mind.

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Quote rohitc99 Replybullet Posted: 01/Jun/2012 at 12:00pm
Hi subu
not to counter what you are saying ...but have done all the things you mention. prestigious degree, good company, good pay etc.

however after all these years of working, what i realise (for myself definitely) - if you love what you , then the money as long as it is decent, will not matter and surprisingly you do far better than expected.

you look at your salary once a month, but if the job stinks - you suffer for 30 days

late 90s a lot of my friends including me, made a switch from sales/ FMCG to IT as IT was better paying. Some of my friends, stayed because that is what they liked to do. 10 yrs later those guys are doing very well by all standards and still like what they do

lucklily for our generation, most careers now give a decent pay, so we can increasingly afford to do what we would like

sorry for the sermon :)

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Quote manish_okhade Replybullet Posted: 01/Jun/2012 at 9:30am
Some thoughts on how to be extremely successful in the Job in ANY sector:
 
1) Education [Masters, PHD etc] is a mere springboard. No employer will keep you long just because you are highly educated.
 
2) Job is a simple byproduct of business. Those who do something which increases business is ultimatly valuable for the organization. One should contribute in below [either or both] to be highly successful:
 
a) To generate more sales, new deals
b) Do something to increase the bottomline - Get the job done by junior people[low salary], Find ways to increase the productivity etc. 
 
3) Sales staff will always have a more say in the business decisons. All others like Finance, Delivery etc are mere support functions for the sales team. Successful execution enables sales team to negotiate better with the customer. All high flyers [aka Phanesh Murthy of INFY] in business usually originate from sales team in any sector. People from execution team has to travel a longer path to reach the op [yes, its true IN GENERAL!].
 
4) Among all the skills its the communication skills [written and verbal] which matters the most. In today's demanding business one gets a very small window with a customer to make a point and same with internal management too for internal issues. If one fails to articulate the issue in this small window then results are pathetic. This is where many intelligent people fail. Such people could be damn good in what they do but lack of articulation to business leaders does not make them look smart.
 
5) Networking matters the most, its the phone connection not e-mail connection which is important here. In middle/higher management layer, one is in the job not for one's domain skill alone but TO MAKE things moving in the system.
 
5) As one grows in the ladder, it's the strategic thinking is what diffrentiates from others. Ability to envision, articulate the strategy ad evenutually successfull execution of it is what all employers look for. BUT its very tough to do hence we have very few leaders in any organization.
 
6) Biggest tragedy of the life is that all those who are in job are more focussed on doing safer things than to take risky decisons. Our education system is very cerebral and teaches well defined patterns while business requires dealing with randomness which even many great mind failed to catch up.
 
Risky decisons are often rewarding but needs strong conviction. So better to search for the companies which provides such flexibility and do not punish leaders who take the risk.  
 
7) Charecter matters a lot. In long run people tend to follow you if and only if you have the solutions for business problems and you are observed to trustworthy and honest. For example Mr. Premji has never seen indulging into printing Wipro Annual Calender with hot babes, Partying till late night with cronies till wee hours etc. It is said that for him money is essnetial but its the business success which inspires him him to do great things. He has a charcter and infectious energy which motivates others.
 
8) MOST IMPORTANT - Quoting the greatest of great investor Mr. Buffete here 
 
a) It's better to hang out with people better than you. Pick out associates whose behavior is better than yours and you'll drift in that direction.
 
b)
 
Main Theorem: When a management with a reputation for brilliance tackles a business with a reputation for bad economics, it is the reputation of the business that remains intact.
 
Corollary: Should you find yourself in a chronically leaking boat, energy devoted to changing vessels is likely to be more productive than energy devoted to patching leaks :-))
 
Quit asap if you find yourself in the wrong sector.
Hope it helps...


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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 01/Jun/2012 at 9:56am
Your posts definitely make sense.
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Quote rajnsharma Replybullet Posted: 01/Jun/2012 at 10:00am
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you look at your salary once a month, but if the job stinks - you suffer for 30 days
 
This is the Golden Word. I also realized this after frequent changes in job that it matters more to have a work which you could enjoy. It took me a long time to realize this. Fortunately I enjoy my job these days and spending even long hours is fun in office.
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Quote paragdesai Replybullet Posted: 01/Jun/2012 at 10:05am
Good write up Manishji.

Also one need to develop small political skill in oneself to survive today's working environment. Not necessarily using against anyone but to understand that someone don't using against you.
Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity ....
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Quote manish_okhade Replybullet Posted: 01/Jun/2012 at 10:11am
I would like to sum up my writing with last most important learning.
 
"Make a extremely good relationship with immediate boss. For example if you work for INFY then you have to accept the fact that your Boss symbolizes the INFY not Mr. Murthy." If boss is evil and your attempts to develop relationship fails then better quit irrspective of how great is the your employer or switch the Boss.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 01/Jun/2012 at 10:17am
Manish ji: Ever thought of career counselling? These things make tremendous sense to me even while I am not in a job.
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