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Quote bub100 Replybullet Posted: 08/Sep/2006 at 1:57pm
no I am still holding now in demat- they also gave some shares of Bharit teletech as bonus.

good to hold or give in the buyback if open
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 08/Sep/2006 at 2:06pm
Buyback would have closed long back now you need to hold it. Write an email to the company and to SUnil Mittal (seriously) and check whether they would take it now.
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Quote bub100 Replybullet Posted: 08/Sep/2006 at 2:11pm
thanks for the reply.

I now come to know that they  war offering 90.- p share but I think this is not the value of Bharti Telecom (as holding company holding 45% in the bhaairtel)

are ther anybody in the fourm also holding or want to  give in the buyback

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Quote nav_1996 Replybullet Posted: 19/Sep/2006 at 3:04pm
I think this topics needs to discussed in more details. Besides financials and number of subscribers we need to closely watch out the technological disruptions this field is going to witness.

Excuse me for my limited telecom knowledge. But still I will try to put across points which are important and relevant.

First question needs to be answered is what is impact of CDMA. To start with Reliance was able to provide features like R-world with CDMA technology. But to move to provide 3G services(which will be future value add services) which is cheaper CDMA or GSM.

World over GSM larger base has forced equipment manufacturers to spend more on research and product development for GSM.

How spectrum issues play?

How are new services like IPTV and VoIP going to have an ipact?

In case reliance wants to migrate its user base to GSM there will be a considerable cost.

But I have a feeling that despite of some challenges Reliance will be a formidable player. I guess Tatas will be loosers either way.
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Quote xbox Replybullet Posted: 19/Sep/2006 at 3:09pm
There was an article on Economic times Dated 18 Sep on this topic. U will get what diamond you are holding. Try to get newpaper copy and read. I read it from economictimes.com yesterday. Don't tender ur share to promotor. They are trying hard to get these. It values 10 times more that last listed price.
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Quote sajanvm Replybullet Posted: 19/Sep/2006 at 3:38pm

I am just a little worried about investing long term (>5 years) in the telecom sector. In the growth phase that we are in, there might be money to be made, but am not sure of what will happen later.

If you look at US, you will see what a cut throat business telecom is... Consumers benefit, not the telcos. One of the big factors that I think has protected telco companies in India is the absence of LNP (Local Number Portability - meaning, i can switch to any carrier but my number remains the same). If we did have LNP in India, none of us would care if we were with Bharti or Reliance or whoever as long as I can retain my number.

In the US you have companies calling you and offering $50 to switch and giving you a better tariff as well ! People do it at the blink of an eye because I don't have to change my number....
 
Will all this come to pass in India as well ??? I hate to be a wet blanket, but as investors, we shd seriously examine the downside instead of only looking at the macro level opportunity I think.
 
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 19/Sep/2006 at 4:18pm

Great Point. Though 5 years is a pretty long time in an emerging sector your argument brings me to a very interesting point. Suppose any one wants to take over all the subscribers of Nharti (20 million) and is willing to pay Rs 2300 (US $ 50) for that then one could get all the subscribers at Bharti for US $ 1 billion. The company trades at a market cap of over US $ 17 billion.

Guess that would take about 2 - 3 years and Bharti could also do some poaching there from other operators  but surely once that happens this whole sector could come in for a de-rating.

 

 



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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 26/Sep/2006 at 10:58pm

Bharti Airtel  has moved about 20% since we discussed this stock some days back. The net monthly additions of mobile telephone subscribers have crossed China's net additions. In August India added 5.8 million subscribers while China added 5.5 million.

 

By 2010 total market size for mobile telephony should be between 350 million – 400 million from the present level of 120 million.

 

It is learnt that Bharti is looking for some international acquisitions. Market grapevine has it that because of international players like Vodafone and Singapore Telecom, Bharti shall make this acquisition in a country where these players do not have significant presence.

 

It is rumored that the company is looking for companies in the lesser developed countries of Africa or South America

 

The company is aggressively increasing focus on the fixed line/broadband services where ARPU is almost triple of the mobile services. Mobile revenues make up 75% of total revenues,  but the real growth is coming from other sections of the

 

While 3G is a few quarters away the IPTV plans of the company are in the pipeline and should further boast revenues.

 

With Reliance communication on its heels the competition is intensifying but the monthly net additions are still ahead of forecasts. That means that the market is growing much ahead of expectations.

 

The fact that Reliance communication is now looking at GSM is a confirmation on the superiority of this business model. The company is attempting to increase its market share to 25% from the present 21% over the next few years.

 

Source:  Company Presentation at CLSA meet.



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