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Thanks Sorub... A new word and and and art learnt.
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 Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 10:57am |
Originally posted by SORUB
bubble ji,i like cartoons and action movies...you can see master teaching students in a very tough manner to teach them decipline...for me markets and these ninja/kung fu masters are same... |
Excellent thoughts.
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Originally posted by Vivek Sukhani
Vipul,
Although I agree with you somewhat yet I have some difference of opinion as well. You can escape Phase 1 if you are so attuned, if you have the discipline. With some bit of education of investment science( although, you may also call it a art), you can also straightaway enter into stage 2.Also, sometimes you dont transit from stage 2 to stage 3 for your entire life. Some rigid fundamentalists never got into stage 3. This is especially true for people who never look at anything else apart from the figures. they work in this matter with a very scientific rather than a artisitc bent of mind. Investment Gurus like Walter Schloss or Benjamin graham will fit this bill.
In my opinion, the transition of phases is also very blurred. You will find numerous examples of people staying in stage 1, making rich gains during the bull run and later squandering all their gains ... they promise to themselves they will never make the same mistake but the lure of good profits and a dangerous seelf confidence( rather, over-confidence) that they will call it quits at the most opportune time, make them stay in Stage 1.... |
You are right Vivek but I feel unless a person sees stage 1 he would never go to stage III. People who enter the market in Stage II remain there that way irrespective of what happens around them. Nothing wrong in that because finally at the end of the day we chose our way of life.
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 Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 11:11am |
for me markets and these ninja/kung fu masters are same...
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Sorub jee......very well said....
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Agreed, basant... you need to lose to understand how multibaggers are created. If this is what you wanted to say, I beleive its a right presumption. Stage 2 type of investors will never be able to get into emerging sectors.the difference between the 2 is like what Mr. Pranab Kumar Bhattacharya(PKB200) told me on yahoo messenger... CHETAK and an elephant.But frankly speaking, I have always adopted the elephant style as against CHETAK.... I beleive value stocks are good when they have the capacity to grow for it is growth which changes the value of the value stock. However, if a growth stock grows there is no change is value brought about... unless it can super grow, then growth stock will grow. I beleive its more risky to stick with growth stocks especially if they are in transition. A case can be made of Mahindra GESCO, and many logistic plays which were looking so good just 8 months back..... today we hear so little about them. sugar was once touted as the most growing sector when ethanol related stuff was doing the buzz.... today its neither a growth nor a value sector.Growth stocks have very high betas which make them out-performers but as a result of which, they have a very high dispersion of returns. value stocks have very low betas as the dispersion of return is also very very low. Its ultimately buying and selling appropriately is what matters.
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So, in a nutshell its all in the type of field( read, markets) you are fighting on... So, if the field is flat and plain( read bull market) a Chetak is what will do for you.... however, if the field be muddier( read bear markets) an elephant will stand you in far greater stead....
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Yes you make an interesting point but we as investors have a right to decide whether we want to be a chetak or an elephant.What I wanted to say is that it is very difficult to be both and the entry(learning) costs are far higher in being a chetak then in an elephant.
We all choose our own ways methods of investing so as long as we are disciplined then it is OK but if we try to become monkeys (mungerilals) one day in the hope of becoming an elephant or a chetak then the odds are that we would become neither.
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Vipul,
I have gone thru all the phases 1,2,3 that you have mentioned here.
You can say Been there and done that.
1. bought kachra on tips in the hopes of fast buck
2. bought blue chips while they flatlined.
3. shorted stocks that shot up and had to sell bluechips to pay for losses.
4. hit bottom when I lost it all the day of Cargill attack when I had forward positions that broker squared off to pay for margin.
Went to Zero.
Ever heard of Haarela Jugari.....
I claim complete responsibility for my actions.
Originally posted by vipul
First sector and then stock. There are broadly 3 phases in investing life (I have lived all 3, not sure if more left)...Basant jee is there anymore ?
phase 1. When one acts based on broker/friend. In this phase silverline looks more compelling as compared to INFY. This is learning cycle. More you lose money earlier you get out from here. This is quite diversified state.
phase 2. This phase starts after a considerable gap. Here, you remember your dark past. and try to pick all solid companies. You look at PER, BV, dividend yield and management etc. Here you are not loosing money but you are also not making multi-baggers (you wanted). Sometimes you don't get even index return. Sometimes you think that phase 1 was better given a little luck (as by then all you picks in phase 1 might be multi-baggers). This is quite diversified state.
phase 3. This phase starts immediately after phase 2. Here one try to bet on sectors & management. By this phase you are aware of many scripts and market functions. Here you apply what you learnt from earlier phases. You not only pick phase 2 type of companies in identified sectors but also you pick phase 1 type of companies in same sectors yet you feel quite relaxed. This is moksha state (no more birth/deaths, no more buys/sells). This is quite concentrated state.
I have lived every word of these 3 phases. I reached phase 3. One has to traverse all the way from phase 1. God bless all. |
Edited by Mohan - 10/Feb/2007 at 4:50am
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