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9StockPortfolio
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 Posted: 19/Jan/2010 at 10:59am |
Originally posted by Chetan Panchal
This is the trick most bank guys uses while calculating interest and generally people don't understand it.
The way you are calculating around 9% flat is not correct.
You are not using 1L for four years so if u paid appr.76000/- after 3 year still you are paying 9626 pa for fourth year for balance 24000 which is more than 9% pa.
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check my table in the previous post..after 4 years, i am paying interest on the remaining capital only.. there principle amount is higher and interest is lower..
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praveen
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 Posted: 19/Jan/2010 at 11:06am |
I absolutely agree with your table which is calculated on the basis of 17% p.a. and that is your actual cost of funds.
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9StockPortfolio
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 Posted: 19/Jan/2010 at 11:07am |
There are many methods to calculate interest.
1) In Excel, give this formula =PMT(17%/12,48,100000) you will get your answer..
2) As i shown in my early message, i have given complete amortization schedule.
Banks can not use their own calculation method. they have to follow standard interest calculation practices & formulas.
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9StockPortfolio
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 Posted: 19/Jan/2010 at 11:12am |
Now the Flat interest calculation If you simply calculate interest on 100000@17% you will pay every year Rs. 17000 so Rs. 68000 for 4 years. but actually you are paying 38504, why? because simultaneously you are paying back the principle also.
I would be paying total interest over 4 years 38504, that means I have to pay Rs. 9626 per year. (38504/4)
That means I have to pay 9.63% every year on Rs. 100000 amount
that is called as flat calculation. This will give you idea if your borrowed funds generate more returns than 9.63% every year, at he end of the 4th year you will have surplus on the money you never owned.
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 Posted: 19/Jan/2010 at 11:18am |
So do we agree that your cost of funds is 17% and not 9% (ie if you are buying stocks out of that money than your returns should be over and above 17% CAGR for you to make profits.)
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9StockPortfolio
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 Posted: 19/Jan/2010 at 11:20am |
 Now last argument.. If you could club this into your home loan. the formula =PMT(10.25%/12,240,100000) gives amount Rs.982 where 10.25%/12 = 0.85% 240 = 20 Yrs=Loan tenure 100000 = Loan Amount The benefit of this workout is that you get tax relief as well as some returns from the market. Hope we are on the same page now. Thanks
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9StockPortfolio
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I assume that my cost of funds is the Interest i am paying i.e. 38504Since this interest payment is spread over 4 years, i take it as my cost of funds for every year is Rs. 9626, which falls at 9.63% to the Loan amount of 100k Now if i make 0.9% every month, i.e. Rs. 900 on Rs. 100000 (forget about taxes & brokerage) following table shows I earn Rs. 4694 at the end of 4th year on the money (Borrowed capital) which i never own.
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Yearly Interest |
Monthly Interrest |
Monthly Principle |
EMI |
Returns in the market |
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Principle |
17% |
12 |
2886 |
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0.90% |
Month 1 |
100000 |
17000 |
1417 |
1469 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 2 |
98531 |
16750 |
1396 |
1490 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 3 |
97041 |
16497 |
1375 |
1511 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 4 |
95529 |
16240 |
1353 |
1533 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 5 |
93997 |
15979 |
1332 |
1554 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 6 |
92442 |
15715 |
1310 |
1576 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 7 |
90866 |
15447 |
1287 |
1599 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 8 |
89267 |
15175 |
1265 |
1621 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 9 |
87646 |
14900 |
1242 |
1644 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 10 |
86001 |
14620 |
1218 |
1668 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 11 |
84334 |
14337 |
1195 |
1691 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 12 |
82642 |
14049 |
1171 |
1715 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 13 |
80927 |
13758 |
1146 |
1740 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 14 |
79188 |
13462 |
1122 |
1764 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 15 |
77423 |
13162 |
1097 |
1789 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 16 |
75634 |
12858 |
1071 |
1815 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 17 |
73820 |
12549 |
1046 |
1840 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 18 |
71980 |
12237 |
1020 |
1866 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 19 |
70113 |
11919 |
993 |
1893 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 20 |
68221 |
11597 |
966 |
1920 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 21 |
66301 |
11271 |
939 |
1947 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 22 |
64354 |
10940 |
912 |
1974 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 23 |
62380 |
10605 |
884 |
2002 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 24 |
60378 |
10264 |
855 |
2031 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 25 |
58347 |
9919 |
827 |
2059 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 26 |
56288 |
9569 |
797 |
2089 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 27 |
54199 |
9214 |
768 |
2118 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 28 |
52081 |
8854 |
738 |
2148 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 29 |
49933 |
8489 |
707 |
2179 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 30 |
47754 |
8118 |
677 |
2209 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 31 |
45545 |
7743 |
645 |
2241 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 32 |
43304 |
7362 |
613 |
2273 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 33 |
41031 |
6975 |
581 |
2305 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 34 |
38727 |
6584 |
549 |
2337 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 35 |
36389 |
6186 |
516 |
2370 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 36 |
34019 |
5783 |
482 |
2404 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 37 |
31615 |
5374 |
448 |
2438 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 38 |
29176 |
4960 |
413 |
2473 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 39 |
26704 |
4540 |
378 |
2508 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 40 |
24196 |
4113 |
343 |
2543 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 41 |
21653 |
3681 |
307 |
2579 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 42 |
19074 |
3243 |
270 |
2616 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 43 |
16458 |
2798 |
233 |
2653 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 44 |
13805 |
2347 |
196 |
2690 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 45 |
11115 |
1889 |
157 |
2729 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 46 |
8386 |
1426 |
119 |
2767 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 47 |
5619 |
955 |
80 |
2806 |
2886 |
900 |
Month 48 |
2812 |
478 |
40 |
2846 |
2886 |
900 |
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Total Interest |
38506 |
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43200 |
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Total Profit |
4694 |
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Edited by 9StockPortfolio - 19/Jan/2010 at 11:29am
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Chetan Panchal
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 Posted: 19/Jan/2010 at 11:27am |
You Earn @ 14.42%
@9.63 you pay back
1st year 100,000.00 14.42% 14,420.00 34,596.00
2nd year 79,824.00 14.42% 11,510.62 34,596.00
3rd year 56,738.62 14.42% 8,181.71 34,596.00
4th year 30,324.33 14.42% 4,372.77 34,596.00
38,485.10 138,384.00
You Pay @9.63% 38,504.00
Net Loss (18.90)
you have to earn more that 14.42% pa for break even.
Even more as i have calculated payback amount on y-o-y basis and not monthly which will furthur increase you % of cost of borrowing.so you have to earn around 17% appr.to break even only.
Edited by Chetan Panchal - 19/Jan/2010 at 11:31am
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