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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 29/Sep/2009 at 11:50am
Thanks for this data point Hitesh.
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Quote vishmitt Replybullet Posted: 30/Sep/2009 at 12:01pm
BTW, Buffett also used this startegy - he sold J&J and P&G to buy attractive picks in the mayhem, as the potential upside was far higher in those. Interestingly, he did not used all cash but sold these defensives,  because of insurance business requirements.  
 
 
Also, I think that rather than timing the market, pricing the market may turn out to be a better way - keep increasing cash & equivalent as markets keep getting pricier above a threshold.
 
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 30/Sep/2009 at 12:23pm
I think switching on the basis of valuation would make more sense. For instance if a cyclical and a Nestle all things being equal at a 30% valuation differential  should be interchanged and when the market falls we can go back to the cyclical and wait again.

I am trying to focus on that strategy of converting cyclical with consumer companies that do not fall like a rock in the ocean when the markets correct. Only time will decide which strategy is correct.

I have always been fully invested and hence prefer this strategy so someone can argue as to why a  Nestle (just an example) at this time and my defense would be because its valuations isn't so high relative to the cyclical.

A 30% jump followed by a 20% CAGR for 3 years generates a return of 30% CAGR! I like working on similar situations of taking some money off a wild stoick and then getting into the stable names.



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Quote smartcat Replybullet Posted: 30/Sep/2009 at 12:49pm
Originally posted by snehaldani

The idea is to have ready liquidity available throughout the year, without foregoing the returns in total. Of course, lower returns will come from these investments but even a once in a 2/3 year opportunity of bargain basement prices could more than make up the intermediate compromise of the returns.

I agree with this, and I intend to time the market with the above startegy (yeah, "good luck", I know). Managing the debt portfolio by keeping a keen eye on the interest rates and investing in gilt funds can also give a 1 year return of 20 - 30%.
 
"High" interest rates can be a pretty good indicator of when the stock market will crash. Don't ask me how high is "high" though.
 
Extra-ordinary returns cannot be made by "buying and holding" stocks - at best, one can get around 20 - 25% per annum. To get that kicker in returns, one needs to either -
 
- Dabble in futures and options
- Take leverage
- Time the market.
 
Since I don't understand futures/options and don't have the guts to take leverage, the last option is my only available bet.
 
I think switching on the basis of valuation would make more sense
 
Tried it already in 2006/2007 and failed
 
A 30% jump followed by a 20% CAGR for 3 years generates a return of 30% CAGR! I like working on similar situations of taking some money off a wild stoick and then getting into the stable names
 
This I agree with. But I'm trying to achieve this by not switching but by buying 20% CAGR growth small cap stocks at 5 P/E.
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Quote grim Replybullet Posted: 05/Oct/2009 at 12:01pm
Hit ,
Any idea how one can buy/sell bond online, similar to trading equities.  icicidirect doesnt seem to allow trading of bond instruments.

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Regarding the bonds, yes they are listed on NSE and one can buy just like buying shares. I know of bonds of Sriram Transport and Tata Motors which are listed and are traded on NSE.



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