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Topic: Investors bleed while fund houses make money!

Posted By: basant
Subject: Investors bleed while fund houses make money!
Date Posted: 12/Sep/2011 at 7:46pm

"Some fund managers' ability to research and identify stocks is below par. They don't deserve the expense ratio they are charging their investors," says Kolkata-based stock analyst Basant Maheshwari.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/personal-finance/mutual-funds/analysis/mf-houses-hdfc-mutual-fund-reliance-equity-and-others-make-money-via-expense-ratio-even-if-equity-schemes-bleed/articleshow/9949610.cms

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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 12/Sep/2011 at 8:27pm

I used to wonder what sort if investors keep their money in such MFs.

And now I find that I am one of them. I've kept various 4-5 year money in MFs and don't even know their current NAVs

I've put my money in Reliance and HDFC MFs

Posted By: leo2007
Date Posted: 12/Sep/2011 at 8:57pm

I also have some investments in MF . Now I am seriously thinking of redeeming.

Posted By: bharti
Date Posted: 12/Sep/2011 at 10:08pm

I have no investments in MFs, but am waiting for PMS from Basantji.

Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 12/Sep/2011 at 10:51pm

Fortunately cashed out from my MFs around 5700-5800 except some ELSS.. I realised its better to pay tuition fee to learn rather than pay them with nose and do even think of getting out performance let alone good return.

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Posted By: patra04
Date Posted: 12/Sep/2011 at 12:27pm

When I was introduced to TED, I was 100% in MFs, now thanks to the lessons learned here, I have switched gradually to equities.

A 2% yearly difference in the returns you get on your investments can have HUGE impact on the earnings in the long run.

A big thanks to TED and Basantji for educating the finanicially illeterate folks like me.

Regards,

Rahul

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 12/Sep/2011 at 7:44am

Originally posted by patra04

A big thanks to TED and Basantji for educating the finanicially illeterate folks like me.

Regards,

Rahul

Thank you. Yes, TED has beaten almost all MF and money managers hands down.

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Posted By: shontou
Date Posted: 12/Sep/2011 at 8:47am

Best strategy is to have a small portfolio and manage it yourself. Excahange traded funds are also good alternative to mutual funds as they dont carry expense ratos like mutual funds.

About fund managers :"Some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them".

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Posted By: NagarajB
Date Posted: 12/Sep/2011 at 8:48am

Basantji,

Where can I find details of the expense ratio of various MF? I checked valueresearchonline...but not able to figure this one out.

-Nagaraj

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Regards,
Nagaraj

Posted By: jagbir
Date Posted: 12/Sep/2011 at 10:39am

Originally posted by NagarajB

Basantji,

Where can I find details of the expense ratio of various MF? I checked valueresearchonline...but not able to figure this one out.

-Nagaraj

You can directly check expense ratio in fund house website. Just for an example, to check details about HDFC Equity, go to www.hdfcfund.com and then select the scheme. You will this http://www.hdfcfund.com/Products/SchemeDetails.aspx?SchemeID=9f8b4a2a-9cb6-456b-b875-ea727ef6ac85 - page having all details.

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Posted By: bobdylan
Date Posted: 13/Sep/2011 at 8:30pm

an interesting article in the economic times on the role played by mutual fund during shareholders events,most of them have been pasive going along with the management except templeton,really shocking to see HDFC also in the list,leave the mutual funds,the promoters of most companies help themselves to such handsome remuneration,that the urge to perform and reward the minority shareholders is not there,all the more reason to do investments on your own rather than go to MF,other than the ELSS for tax saving.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/personal-finance/mutual-funds/mf-news/mutua-funds-franklin-templeton-most-active-in-fighting-for-investors-dsp-blackrock-most-passive/articleshow/9962524.cms -

Posted By: pennyplayersclu
Date Posted: 11/Oct/2011 at 5:41pm

It will be true that Excahange traded funds are also good alternative to mutual funds as they dont carry expense ratos like mutual funds. .

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Posted By: Torrance
Date Posted: 11/Oct/2011 at 11:20pm

Originally posted by shontou

Best strategy is to have a small portfolio and manage it yourself. Excahange traded funds are also good alternative to mutual funds as they dont carry expense ratos like mutual funds.

About fund managers :"Some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them".

I think you're going to get a lot of agreement with that one. ;)

A lot of the structure of investment opportunities (not just mutual funds) is a design to funnel money from people who have some but not a lot of it to other people who already have a lot, and will use investments as capital to play financial shell-games. You can reduce that by cutting out the middlemen as much as possible.

Posted By: RajaSurinderz
Date Posted: 26/Nov/2011 at 4:06am

This is sad. Though its great to see people like basant to help us get educated. I don't have any investments in MFs but still this seems really bad and unethical to my eyes.

Posted By: vidurchhabra
Date Posted: 27/Nov/2011 at 2:59pm

Redeemed a large chunk of my mutual funds two weeks back, and have started investing on stocks recommended by Basantji. I should have done this ages back, and I have no doubt that we will beat any mutual fund hands down.
I have a query though, any idea whether the dividends received by mutual funds from their stock portfolio is shared in the NAV or does go directly into the MF pockets?

Posted By: rapidriser
Date Posted: 27/Nov/2011 at 9:56pm

Originally posted by vidurchhabra

Redeemed a large chunk of my mutual funds two weeks back, and have started investing on stocks recommended by Basantji. I should have done this ages back, and I have no doubt that we will beat any mutual fund hands down.
I have a query though, any idea whether the dividends received by mutual funds from their stock portfolio is shared in the NAV or does go directly into the MF pockets?

It is added to the NAV.

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Posted By: kalpeshm
Date Posted: 14/Dec/2011 at 6:08pm

Most of the fund managers are just ignorant, every trader knows that a stock delivers 100% return once a year why then we are not witnessing fund NAVs having good valuations the best thing is to stay away from mutual funds, do your own research and buy good companies. Most of the funds are owned or backed by industrial houses and we never know where the actual money goes. In India it is easy to eye wash.

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Posted By: neeraj_kumar
Date Posted: 07/Feb/2012 at 10:56am

Stock exchanges pitched for abolition of the Securities Transaction Tax ( STT) on equity trades at their meeting with Finance Ministry (FM) officials
The issue of removal of STT was raised by representatives of different stock exchanges, including BSE, National Stock Exchange, MCX-SX and USE.

Posted By: extreme
Date Posted: 11/Sep/2012 at 12:22pm

Interesting
https://www.sptulsian.com/article/69744

Posted By: ar_investor
Date Posted: 12/Sep/2012 at 10:30pm

Originally posted by kalpeshm

every trader knows that a stock delivers 100% return once a year

What exactly do you mean.

Posted By: Shiv R
Date Posted: 13/Sep/2012 at 3:09pm

Means every company once during the year is pushed to perform!

Like Nifty is expected to go up the 5550 -5650 levels by global triggers from http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/09/13/qe3-could-boost-nifty-to-idINDEE88C04920120913?type=economicNews - QE3 announcement today!

However, that's expected to be a short term rally as our domestic policy paralysis would not support it for a long term...

Posted By: ar_investor
Date Posted: 13/Sep/2012 at 4:34pm

He is not talking about Nifty, he is saying that a stock delivers 100% returns once a year.

Even someone like Buffet cannot make that claim that is why I am asking on what basis is he making that claim.

Posted By: mattdriscoll
Date Posted: 17/Dec/2012 at 2:56pm

This means that you have effectively diversified your risk when compared to another investor who buys and individual share.

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Date Posted: 11/Mar/2013 at 2:58pm

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Posted By: harreymartin
Date Posted: 11/Mar/2013 at 3:34pm

The day is not far when traders will stop making an investment in value common funds due their hopeless performance season on season with heavy failures as high as 80% of invetment break down, yet finance homes flourish?

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Posted By: sumitraepic
Date Posted: 16/Sep/2015 at 6:12pm

Every one knows that investors invest lots of money in the market and its results may be positive or negative but all the loss beard by self. Fund houses are not supporting them.

Posted By: sumitraepic
Date Posted: 14/Dec/2015 at 4:22pm

I also want to invest in the equity market, but I don't have good knowledge, please suggest me more detail about it.

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Date Posted: 08/Apr/2016 at 5:33pm

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