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    • Oct
    • 8
    • 2009

    Mr.Fund Manager:How much have you bet in the Fund?

    Recently there has been a lot of hullabaloo of how one particular fund has delivered around 40 times returns in 14 years. The best thing about statistics is that they show us what the statistician wants to display so if a fund has done best in the last five years it will advertise that period. The idea is to cut the time charts according to convenience and display it as an advertising tool.

    The biggest question is whether these pieces of data are as Taleb would call rare random chance events or do they bear any resemblance of a recurring nature?

    While I like history the worst place to put history is in the asset management industry.
     
    At the cost of sounding critical I have stopped looking at how the past data works because investors cannot make future returns by looking at the past. More-over the past data means almost nothing when you have had several fund manager changes and in some cases even the whole research team has been revamped.

    My first question would be to find out if  there is any data of how many of the original investors are still with the fund?
    If there are a few people invested then the fund should use their faces to advertise. That will create more mileage for the fund in terms of impressing new investors then anything else. Here we should exclude the investors who are betting with less then 2% of their net worth.

    There are over several hundred Mutual Fund schemes (and each of the fund houses having around twenty to fifty of them) then obviously a few would do the double of the underlying index but the trick is to find that out in foresight then in hindsight and the only way to know if that was in anyone's foresight is to count the number of original investors in the fund.

    Though I have no privy to such data I am sure that the actual numbers would not impress me or for that matter anyone who is convinced and aware of the danger of getting sucked into chance events thinking them to be actual predictable outcomes in foresight.

    I'd also like to know the Fund manager's bet on this particular fund as a percentage of his net worth soon as he took over and how long has he continued with that bet. Of course there should be no one believing more in the Fund then the Fund Manager himself. Now if the Fund Manager's bets aren't too big then he also did not think of the performance in foresight thus making it a chance event.

    I would strongly urge SEBI to make mandatory disclosure of the Fund Manager’s investment in the fund so that Investors know if they believe in the fund more then the Manager. Even if absolute bets are not mandated SEBI should include classifications as a relative percentage of the Fund Manager’s net worth. 

    There is a need for some urgent legislation in this context so Fund Managers just can't come up to the Idiot Box and say "OK Guys we got it wrong". They should also be made to pay for their mistakes. Once this is done some funds will advertise their Manager's bets in the underlying fund. Clearly Funds with little bets of their managers will have little confidence amongst the investing public and vice-versa.


    basant2010-05-04 05:34:37

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    • Posted on:10/8/2009 7:24:46 AMrajnsharma

      Some data about the same fund......

      It clearly says that they have done worse in last 5 years Cry
      Date NAV % return Sensex % return Beaten Sensex by
      08-09-1995 Rs. 10.00   3366.25    
      08-10-1999 Rs. 26.07 21.10% 4981.74 8.18% 12.92%
      08-10-2004 Rs. 93.32 29.10% 5776.85 3.00% 26.10%
      08-10-2009 Rs. 387.53 32.95% 16843.54 23.86% 9.09%
      Regards,
      Raj

    • Posted on:10/8/2009 10:31:42 AMtigershark

      to know how great this fund really is will be known only when this fund is wound up!  in talebs words we know if a person is really lucky in life only after he has kicked the bucket

    • Posted on:10/8/2009 11:17:27 PMaloksahi1971

      Sorry  I dont subscribe to this view of finding out the lucky few who stayed with the fund. That is a decision totaly dependent on the investor. The investor who was patient and systematic did  a good job sticking with the fund.

      As far as past performance goes it is no indicator of that fund doing well in the future but it is a small indicator that the fund has bet good and maybe the future holds a promise.eg Before each cricket mathch a host of satistics display the odds of a team as a measure of its past performance. This is hardly an indicator of the way the game will go but an astute observer will notice that a team having a better winning record might be producing better playrs due to certain traning techneques.
      Thus also for a fund house the stock picking may be done in a fashion to weed out the lagards and back the winners.

    • Posted on:10/9/2009 1:10:01 AMsmartcat

      My guess is that a high percentage of the fund manager's equity portfolio will be in his own funds.

       
      Because all fund managers think they are the best stock pickers. That's why they demand Rs. 4 cr salary package with a straight face, along with performance based incentives.

    • Posted on:10/9/2009 2:12:52 AMrapidriser

      Most fund managers are barred from investing their funds in equities. Some are allowed to invest in index funds.

    • Posted on:10/9/2009 5:46:02 AMHallaBol

      This is unfair to fund managers. Then, we need to have same level of disclosure for the experts who are recomending on idiot box and also for any other forum where we put views on stocks. Just saying I may have interest in the stock is not enough.

    • Posted on:10/9/2009 9:03:02 AMvishmitt

      [QUOTE=basant]
      I would strongly urge SEBI to make mandatory disclosure of the Fund Manager’s investment in the fund so that Investors know if they believe in the fund more then the Manager. Even if absolute bets are not mandated SEBI should include classifications as a relative percentage of the Fund Manager’s net worth. 
      [/QUOTE]

       
      This is a great suggestion. Should be done. Also, if they have invested in all the NFOs they keep coming up with at heights of bull markets.

    • Posted on:10/10/2009 12:25:34 PMsmartcat

      [quote] Most fund managers are barred from investing their funds in equities. Some are allowed to invest in index funds [/quote]

       
      Fund managers are barred from investing in equities directly, but not in equity MFs.

    • Posted on:10/10/2009 9:10:37 PMrapidriser

      [QUOTE=smartcat][quote] Most fund managers are barred from investing their funds in equities. Some are allowed to invest in index funds [/quote]

       
      Fund managers are barred from investing in equities directly, but not in equity MFs.
      [/QUOTE]
       
      I am not aware what the exact SEBI rules are, and each AMC may have some additional restrictions of their own for their fund managers.
       
      However, in practical life, fund managers play it safe by either completely avoiding equities in their portfolio, or by investing only in the index, so as to prevent any suspicion of insider trading.
       

    • Posted on:10/10/2009 10:44:42 PMnav_1996

      Morningstar gives some detail of Fund Managers investments. Sukumar Rajah makes all equity invetments through his Franklin Prima Plus. Kenneth does not invest in IDFC Premier Equity. Shankar Naren invests in ICICI Pru Discovery and not in ICICI Pru Dynamic.

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